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Cohen & Steers, Inc. (New York)

Cohen & Steers, Inc. (New York) Q4 FY2024 earnings call

January 23, 2025 · fiscal period ended 2024-12

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Management highlights

  • Raja discussed as-adjusted results, noting Q4 earnings of $0.78 per share vs $0.77 sequentially, and full year earnings of $2.93 per share. Revenue growth driven by higher average AUM and performance fees. - Jeff Palma discussed asset allocation, highlighting real assets as attractively valued with diversification potential. - Joe Harvey talked about investment performance, with 49% of AUM outperforming benchmarks in Q4, and plans to launch three active ETFs in Q1 2025, focusing on RIA segment and education on asset classes.
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Segment performance

In the fourth quarter, revenue increased 4.9% sequentially to $139.9 million, and full year 2024 revenue was $518 million, a 5.9% increase. Average AUM in Q4 was higher than prior quarter, with net inflows primarily in open-end funds. AUM was $85.8 billion at year-end, down from $91.8 billion at Q3 end. Operating income was $49.7 million in Q4, with operating margin 35.5%. Full year earnings per share were $2.93, up from $2.84 in 2023.

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Guidance

  • Expected effective tax rate to remain at 25.3% in 2025. - Compensation ratio to stay at 40.5%. - G&A expected to increase 6%-7% in 2025. - Plan to launch three active ETFs in Q1 2025: active U.S. REIT strategy, broader preferred stock strategy, and natural resources equity strategy.
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Risks

  • Market depreciation in asset classes. - Interest rates impacting private markets, with private valuations potentially falling. - FOMO influencing investor timing, making it challenging to time asset allocation moves. - Tight credit spreads and difficult exits in private markets as potential headwinds.
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Q&A highlights

Q: Could you give more color on sales conversation in wealth management channel for REITs and preferreds?

A: Strong interest in U.S. REITs, less strong in preferreds due to competition from private credit. Flows from RIA channel growing.

Q: Talk about plan for rolling out active ETFs?

A: Leading with core asset classes, starting with RIA market, educating advisers on asset classes and strategies. No concern on cannibalization as focus on performance and education.

Q: Can you grow operating margins in 2025?

A: Driven by market levels, organic growth, and new investments. Comp ratio and G&A guidance factored in, progression based on market and organic growth.

Q: Any plans for acquisitions?

A: Historically focused on organic growth, but open to strategic acquisitions if they enhance lineup, but not part of day-to-day.

Q: Best markets outside U.S. for flow demand?

A: Opportunities in Asia ex Japan, with Singapore office opened to serve clients, and Japan showing positive trajectory for investment and asset management.

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