West Fraser Timber Co. Ltd. Q3 FY2025 earnings call

• Early cycle actions: Optimized asset portfolio by removing 820 million board feet of lumber capacity and divesting pulp mills while acquiring assets.
• Current operations: Monitor macroeconomic conditions, maintain flexible operating strategy, wrap up capital projects, and pursue balanced capital allocation.
• Long-term outlook: Lean on industry knowledge for resilience in cycle trough, with challenges in new supply addition due to fiber access, capital costs, and residual product outlets.

West Fraser's segment performance for Q3 2025: The lumber segment posted adjusted EBITDA of negative $123 million in Q3, inclusive of a $67 million out-of-period duty expense. The North America EWP segment had adjusted EBITDA of negative $15 million, down from $68 million in Q2. The Pulp and Paper segment had adjusted EBITDA of negative $6 million, compared to negative $1 million in Q2. The Europe business generated $1 million of adjusted EBITDA, similar to $2 million in Q2.

• 2025 shipments: Narrowed top end of SPF and SYP shipments, maintained North American OSB and EU OSB shipment guides.
• 2025 CapEx: Guidance range of $400 million to $450 million.
• Trade policies: U.S. Section 232 tariffs of 10% on softwood timber and lumber effective October 14, 2025, added to existing duties.

• Macroeconomic and trade policy uncertainties.
• Challenges in accessing economically viable fiber, high capital costs, and long-term residual product outlets.
• Impact of U.S. tariffs on softwood lumber.

Q: Maybe to start with and recognizing that this is a pretty tough backdrop right now. I'm just curious sort of your approach to managing production in both lumber and North America OSB, particularly in this environment, which increasingly looks like that demand is likely to remain soft here in the near term. Can you sort of just give us some part on sort of how do you approach sort of managing production, particularly as we are looking at sort of another year where EBITDA could be kind of negative in lumber?

A: Ketan, happy to touch on that. And maybe I'll just start with -- by reinforcing a few things that -- the actions we took early in the cycle, which we're closing permanently or indefinitely a number of our mills adjusting our shift configurations. And we have remained nimble in our lumber portfolio against after those actions. And as sort of -- you have seen in our guidance as the year has unfolded. So we maintain in both of our main -- all of our product lines, but in particular, lumber and OSB, a variable kind of operating strategy that first runs to our economics and our customer demand needs. So that's how we manage that, and we make those decisions all the time within our platform.

Q: Understood. And then on OSB, what was sort of the implied Q4 operating rate looked like based on what you all have discussed. You talked about sort of 25% temporary curtailment in lumber. How does that look like in...

A: Yes. I'll let Chris touch on that one.

Q: Understood. And then just last one from me. On the balance sheet side, clearly, the balance sheet is very strong. You've got a net cash position. Curious about sort of how you think about M&A opportunity in this kind of down cycle at the moment? And where do you think you've got the most opportunity for inorganic growth?

A: Yes. Sure. I'll jump in there, and then Sean, you can add if you like. I think we're very consistent the last several years in how we've talked about M&A. And for us, it's quality first, right? And I think clearly, an environment like we're in today necessitates that -- it just shows how important that quality-first approach is around all those things that Sean mentioned that are challenges, whether that's residual supply or asset quality or workforce availability or timber availability. So I think the way that we have the balance sheet we have flexibility to pursue our -- the strategy that we've always had, and growth has always been part -- inorganic growth has always been part of the company's DNA going back decades. So -- but we're going to be guided first and foremost by quality and things that make the company stronger. And I think you can see that certainly in the actions that we've taken over the last several years where we've added to the portfolio, it's been very selective and high quality, and we've also removed things from the portfolio that we don't think make us stronger at the bottom of the cycle. So I think that will be the guide as to what we consider as opportunities is there's got to be -- we got to be satisfied with the quality that's out there. Sean?

Q: Just two questions for me. Sean, I think last conference call, so 3 months ago, the federal government was starting to talk about a possible support and conversations around that when it comes to lumber. So it's been 3 months and things have not really improved in terms of the macro backdrop. Can you talk about what you're willing to share in terms of how those conversations are going and how federal support for lumber is starting to stack up.

A: I can't remember, I don't have the exact date in front of me. I believe it was in early August, and it was in British Columbia, which was encouraging at a small business in -- a small lumber business for the premier rolled out some different support measures. I don't have all the details are all in the public domain, but they were providing some level of support for the industry, some level of funding for exploring different markets. But that would all be in the public domain. I think we, as a mandatory responded, we continue to and frankly, with a balance sheet that we -- that remains strong. We continue to support those measures for the industry with the government. And at the same time, are kind of maintaining our own balance sheets, which is reinforcing our operations. So I probably wouldn't add more than that Ben.

Q: Okay. That's fair. And then just a second question is perhaps for you or for Matt. With respect to your own customers that you talk to regularly, can you give some kind of sense in terms of how many months or days or weeks of inventory is in the U.S. channel, again, when it comes to your customers only relative to normal conditions for mid-October.

A: Go ahead there, Matt.

Q: Sure. I can answer that. I would say we don't really have visibility into our customer supply chain or their inventory levels. What I can speak to is our inventory levels and they're lean in both SYP and SPF which has been intentional in this uncertain market to run our inventories lean.

Q: Okay. So just to be clear, I mean, from the rate of reorder, you don't have a sense as to -- in terms of planning when your customers are going to come back and what their needs will be in the next kind of 2 to 3 months.

A: No, I'd say they're buying as their needs come to them, and we're ready to service them in whatever regions they're in. But I would say no fundamental change or visibility to their inventory levels.

Q: Sean, I want to follow up on the M&A question, and I appreciate your comments around all the assets and building strength at the bottom of the cycle. I guess the follow-on is, we're 3 years into this lumber downturn in North America. Have you seen more opportunities coming to the surface. And if so, would those opportunities include the types of assets you're looking for? I guess I'm trying to gauge what the opportunity set looks like now and how that's changed over the last 3 to 6 months.

A: Sean, probably not -- I think we maybe had this question on a prior call. Probably not a lot of change this year. I think there -- what you typically see is early in an upswing as people are thinking about if a quality asset to sell, people would then maybe look to market that. And then I would say in the pipeline, I don't think there's anything any more than normal and for sure, higher quality assets typically are being held to a better time to market them. So all those things saying that we wouldn't be -- there wouldn't be anything that is jumping out today, that is high quality and available that fit.

Q: And I also wanted to follow up with your comments on North American supply management on the lumber side and appreciating you've done a lot of work on permanent and indefinite closures over the last 3 years. Is a part of the decision making for you at this point in the cycle, we're arguably closer to the end of this downturn than the start at this point, hopefully. Is there reluctance to take more permanent or indefinite shuts at this point when maybe we can see the light at the end of the tunnel as affordability headwinds start to ease. Is that part of the thinking and the thought process when you're gauging sort of rolling downtime versus further definite or permanent closures.

A: Yes. No, it's a good question. I think we always look at it against the backdrop of how is that asset holding up during the current down cycle, and do we have a clear path for the next down cycle. And we make kind of decisions against that backdrop, it's really hard to predict. I mean, I agree with your comments that hopefully, we're here closer to the end than in the middle or the beginning, but we really don't know that. So I think we always have to really challenge ourselves, especially in this environment. Is there a a better operating model that lowers our cost here at the -- and makes us more competitive at the bottom of the cycle. And I would look across our SPF business, Southern Yellow Pine, OSB major business lines and volume is coming out of those businesses and costs are lower. So that's really the way we look at all those decisions and -- but they really -- every asset gets pressure tested in this environment.

Q: I appreciate all the details so far. First from me, could you maybe just share with us how conditions in the Canadian markets have evolved in the last few months, is there anything to call out in terms of differences with the band between the U.S. and Canada? And then are you seeing any of your competitors behave any differently in the Canadian market since higher U.S. duties or the tariffs took effect?

A: Yes, I can take that. I would say that the Canadian market remains competitive. It's a much smaller market than the U.S. market. So while it's an important market for us and we service those customers, it generally doesn't drive demand. And I would say it remains competitive just with where we are in the cycle and all the other things you've mentioned going on, but I would say nothing unusual, just having to compete every day to service our customers in that market.

Q: And then just a couple of cleanups. If we're in an improved, but still, relatively soft wood products market next year, how should we be thinking about CapEx? I appreciate that Henderson will fade year-over-year. How does that evolve into '26 in your view? And second would be just the fire of the Cowie facility, can you help us understand what the state of that facility is today?

A: Sure. Yes. Thanks. So on CapEx, as we look forward, I think as we said in the comments, right, like we've spent a lot of capital. And I think that's one of the advantages of our strong balance sheet is we've been able to be durable with our capital allocation strategy and invest for the future in what have been pretty difficult market in the last couple of years, considering that, as Sean said, we're wrapping up a lot of fairly major projects here, and our focus is shifting to operationalizing those. So I think you can sort of think about what that means relative to 2026. We'll be out in February with our 2026 CapEx guidance. We have had 2 pretty busy years with with big projects going on. With respect to Cowie, I think, flagged in the materials, right, that incident happened about 5 weeks before the end of the quarter. Facility has been repaired back up and running, and I think we're pretty pleased with what we're starting to see in the European segment in terms of maybe some green shoots of things starting to turn around there.

Q: Sean, we don't have access to the U.S. trade data at the moment during the shutdown. But on the ground, are you seeing any signs of European lumber imports increasing just given that their competitive position has improved relative to Canada with all the duty and tariff changes since August.

A: Ask Matt, if there's -- I don't think we have a lot of visibility to that, Hamir, without the data coming in. But Matt, would you add anything to that?

Q: No, I'd say like you said, not a lot of visibility and no meaningful change that we can see in them.

Q: Okay. Fair enough. And I just want to ask in Europe, if you have any comments on -- with respect to OSB demand, how things are faring on both the new res and R&R side?

A: Yes. And Chris sort of touched on that as unfortunate incident at Cowie, our team did an excellent job of making the repairs and getting the mill back up and running and it kind of shadowed that event really did shadow some progress in Europe, and we are seeing -- hard to say how much is kind of demand driven, some of it still may be supply driven, but kind of sequentially quarter-over-quarter, we are seeing some price improvement in OSB and seeing some demand improvement there. So we're looking more optimistically in Europe over the next few quarters, and we'll see how all that unfolds.

Q: Chris, you guys have done a good job on working capital management. And yes, I appreciate the seasonality in Q1 you'll update big log deck builds in Canada. Can you speak generally though, to, I guess, the changes you've made in terms of how you're managing working capital, over the mid- to long-term room for more reductions there, ability to pull more cash out of that, just broader perspective on how you're thinking about that item.

A: Yes. Look, I got to give a lot of kudos to the operations teams across the company on this front, right? I think it spans all elements of the working capital, we manage our credit and receivables very tightly, while still maintaining good relationships with our customers. The cycle there is pretty short. I think as Matt indicated in his comments, in many of our businesses were at or below target levels and operating with fairly lean inventories, which, look, presents some challenges from time to time in terms of filling orders. But the teams are doing a remarkable job of managing through that and learning how to operate with lower inventories. And then lots of work, I'll say, going on in terms of on the procurement side as well as vendors and vendor selection and things like that. So say it spans all aspects of this. And I'd say it's not just something that because of the environment that we're in, that it's getting any more focus than it ordinarily does, think the teams work hard on this stuff all the time. They're probably tired of hearing me talk about working capital. But it's really been, I think, a source of strength for us here in the last while, really releasing on, frankly, all aspects of the balance sheet, and it helps run a more efficient and effective business. So what does that translate into going forward? Hard to say on the way out, but I think some great learnings across the business and a deep focus on strong execution.